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. >> i'm willing to compromise and find common ground over how to reduce the deficit, america cannot afford another debate with this congress about whether or not they should pay the bills they have racked up. what i will not do is to have that negotiation with gun at the head of the people. >> dana: interesting choice of words to describe that. eric, you talked about not wanting the country to lurch from crisis to crisis. most americans would agree and want washington to fix fundamental problems. why do we have to have the debate every three months? >> eric: sure. start with the debt ceiling and how it came about. prior to world war i, everybody was paid. the debt we incurred was paid for through various bonds. world war i to world war ii, fdr got together with the treasury secretary and set let's put a debt ceiling op and they started to borrow money. that amount in 1949 was $45 billion. today, $16.4 trillion. that is 46,400% higher. between 1939 and 1980, we never exceeded $1 trillion in debt. now we push $17 trillion. the problem with the sound bite is president obama was the guy
. >> i'm willing to compromise and find common ground over how to reduce the deficit, america cannot afford another debate with this congress about whether or not they should pay the bills they have racked up. what i will not do is to have that negotiation with gun at the head of the people. >> dana: interesting choice of words to describe that. eric, you talked about not wanting the country to lurch from crisis to crisis. most americans would agree and want washington to fix...
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if the issue is deficit reduction, getting our deficits sustainable over time, getting our debt in a sustainable place, then democrats and republicans in congress will have a partner with me. we can achieve that and we can achieve it fairly quickly. we know what the numbers are, we know what needs to be done. we know what a balanced approach would take, and we've already done probably more than half of the deficit reduction we need to stabilize the debt and the deficit. there's probably been more pain and drama in getting there than we needed. and so finishing the job shouldn't be that difficult, if everybody comes to the conversation with an open mind and if there's some things like paying our bills should not be out of bounds. i'll take one last question. >> mr. president, i would like to ask you, now that you've reached the end of your first term, starting your second, about a couple of criticisms. one that's long-standing, another more recent. the long-standing one seems to become a truism of sorts, that you and your staff are too insular, that you don't socialize enough. and the
if the issue is deficit reduction, getting our deficits sustainable over time, getting our debt in a sustainable place, then democrats and republicans in congress will have a partner with me. we can achieve that and we can achieve it fairly quickly. we know what the numbers are, we know what needs to be done. we know what a balanced approach would take, and we've already done probably more than half of the deficit reduction we need to stabilize the debt and the deficit. there's probably been...
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he's said it's unrealistic to tie the debt limit to deficit reduction. he said it has been separate. that is just not accurate. >> sean: last 30 years? >> last 27 years every major reduction is start going through 1990s all three agreements. recent one, budget control act the reason we're talking about the debt limit discussion. so this is an appropriate time to raise the issue. look, he said people voted for him because they wanted to increase the debt limit. i don't think so. that is not what polling shows. it shows people want to get spending under control. >> sean: for a brief hour the obama media which did not go do a good job from my estimation woke up and challenged him. and looked angry on hypocrisy. how would you deal with the president that is very good at politics, demonizing and pushing republicans into a corner? what is the best strategy? >> well, i agree with you it's interesting. you had reporters saying wait a minute. you said just the opposite but also said the point just made a second ago which is why are you saying it's been straight a
he's said it's unrealistic to tie the debt limit to deficit reduction. he said it has been separate. that is just not accurate. >> sean: last 30 years? >> last 27 years every major reduction is start going through 1990s all three agreements. recent one, budget control act the reason we're talking about the debt limit discussion. so this is an appropriate time to raise the issue. look, he said people voted for him because they wanted to increase the debt limit. i don't think so. that...
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so, obama's entire premise that we need a balanced approach to cutting the deficit is based on a huge fiction which is that obama's plan will cut 4 trillion during the the next decade. it will do no such thing. he's basing on a falsity, just like day one when he's been in office, distort and pr propgandize. now, republicans need to understand all of this dealing with obama. they're dealing with a man who is reckless, ruthless as any president they will ever encounter and my next guest says he has a plan that mr. bolster the republicans hand when it comes to dealing with the democrats on the issue of debt and much more. ohio senator rob portman is here. and what do you make of obama, only 2006 a vote against the debt ceiling. >> it went further than that. he said it would be unpatriotic. >> sean: that's another, i actually have that clip. you want to see it. >> sure. >> sean: let's show the videotape. >> the problem is, is that the way bush has done it over the last eight years is to take out a credit card from the bank of china in the name of our children, driving up our national debt
so, obama's entire premise that we need a balanced approach to cutting the deficit is based on a huge fiction which is that obama's plan will cut 4 trillion during the the next decade. it will do no such thing. he's basing on a falsity, just like day one when he's been in office, distort and pr propgandize. now, republicans need to understand all of this dealing with obama. they're dealing with a man who is reckless, ruthless as any president they will ever encounter and my next guest says he...
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it is the congress decides how big the deficit will be but the president has to work with congress. we need more revenue and we need to drive down spending. i think the president understands that and he is working on this but he cannot do this alone. >> looking forward to the next four years, do you see an america that is retreating? >> i see an american -- an america that is moving to asia. the america they are focusing on asia but have not forgotten about europe and our new allies, and this is an america that is still concerned about issues in the middle east and other parts of the world. but america cannot do everything for everybody. if you think america will become isolationist, that will not happen. >> the world has such high expectations for this president. his single biggest problem was said to be high expectations. >> does any politician ever meet all of the campaign expectations. you come in with an agenda and you do the best that you can. you will succeed on some issues and you will not succeed and there will be a tie on some issues. and the president understands with the
it is the congress decides how big the deficit will be but the president has to work with congress. we need more revenue and we need to drive down spending. i think the president understands that and he is working on this but he cannot do this alone. >> looking forward to the next four years, do you see an america that is retreating? >> i see an american -- an america that is moving to asia. the america they are focusing on asia but have not forgotten about europe and our new...
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. >> megyn: and my last question for you quickly he's put in place, 3.25 in place of deficit reduction, a little short of 4 trillion we need, but he would have the american public believe he's significantly reduced our deficit as president. >> which makes you wonder why we need another 2 trillion dollars so desperately now as we are getting ready for the beginning of his second term. obviously, that's 2 1/2 trillion that is, well, fanciful in my opinion and ethereal in others and it's not a reduction in baseline, it's a reduction in the rate of growth of spending, which is again suffocating to the private economy and unsustainable over the course of the next several years. >> megyn: one thing we did hear the president reference personally, we heard it from nancy pelosi prior, but the president personally talking about now closing more loopholes and that means higher taxes. we don't know on who, but he would not specify any specific spending reductions and refusing to negotiate with the house republicans on the issue of the debt ceiling. lou, an interesting couple of months. looking for
. >> megyn: and my last question for you quickly he's put in place, 3.25 in place of deficit reduction, a little short of 4 trillion we need, but he would have the american public believe he's significantly reduced our deficit as president. >> which makes you wonder why we need another 2 trillion dollars so desperately now as we are getting ready for the beginning of his second term. obviously, that's 2 1/2 trillion that is, well, fanciful in my opinion and ethereal in others and...
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and ironically, would probably increase our deficit. so to even entertain the idea of this happening, of the united states of america not paying its bills, is irresponsible. it's absurd. as the speaker said two years ago, it would be, and i'm quoting, speaker boehner now, a financial disaster not only for us but for the worldwide economy. so we've got to pay our bills. and republicans in congress have two choices here, they can act responsibly and pay america's bills or they can act irresponsibly and put america through another economic crisis. but they will not collect a ransom in exchange for not crashing the american economy. the financial well being of the american people is not leverage to be used. the full faith and credit of the united states of america is not a bargaining chip. and they had better choose quickly because time is running short. the last time republicans in congress even flirted with this idea our aaa credit rating was down graded for the first time in our history, our businesses created the fewest jobs of any mont
and ironically, would probably increase our deficit. so to even entertain the idea of this happening, of the united states of america not paying its bills, is irresponsible. it's absurd. as the speaker said two years ago, it would be, and i'm quoting, speaker boehner now, a financial disaster not only for us but for the worldwide economy. so we've got to pay our bills. and republicans in congress have two choices here, they can act responsibly and pay america's bills or they can act...
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and ironically, would probably increase our deficit. so to even entertain the idea of this happening, of the united states of america not paying its bills is irresponsible. it's absurd. >> the country defaults on its debt, republicans will take the blame for the damage, as president obama pointed out, the country is required by law to pay for what congress spends. >> congress authorizes spending. they order me to spend. they tell me you need to fund our defense department at such and such a level. you need to send out social security checks. you need to make sure that your paying to care for our veterans. they lay all this out for me. and because they have the spending power. and so i am required by law to go ahead and pay these bills. >> many republicans are willing to just let it all burn to the ground. politico reported more and morehouse republicans are planning to damage the economy. gop officials said more than half of their members are prepared to allow default unless president obama agrees to dramatic cuts. he has repeatedly sai
and ironically, would probably increase our deficit. so to even entertain the idea of this happening, of the united states of america not paying its bills is irresponsible. it's absurd. >> the country defaults on its debt, republicans will take the blame for the damage, as president obama pointed out, the country is required by law to pay for what congress spends. >> congress authorizes spending. they order me to spend. they tell me you need to fund our defense department at such...
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>> at the end of the day, when we deal with this sequester, we deal with deficit reduction, it has to be in a balanced way. we have always said we are willing to support spending cuts. we put our money where our mouth is with the debt ceiling last summer. many of us on the democratic side voted for $1.2 trillion in spending cuts and got a debt ceiling increase. president obama made it very clear we are not negotiating over the debt ceiling again because we have to pay our bills. we have to give certainty to our economy and we have to focus on deficit reduction in a balanced way so we can protect the middle class and working families. >> doesn't this give the progressive movement an opportunity in the next 90 days to really send the message to congress, leave the big three alone? get your money somewhere else? it would seem to me that the republicans are going to go after that in the next 90 days, make the case that the entitlements are really the problem in all of this. this campaign is going to continue on. >> it will, absolutely, continue on. i think we have to acknowledge that medi
>> at the end of the day, when we deal with this sequester, we deal with deficit reduction, it has to be in a balanced way. we have always said we are willing to support spending cuts. we put our money where our mouth is with the debt ceiling last summer. many of us on the democratic side voted for $1.2 trillion in spending cuts and got a debt ceiling increase. president obama made it very clear we are not negotiating over the debt ceiling again because we have to pay our bills. we have...
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fiscal cliff, deficit, every single issue. the president's bills never go on the floor of the senate. there are bills that mcconnell agrees to before they reach the floor. because otherwise they can't proceed. one of these reforms that senator merkley talked about is just no more motion to proceed. the majority leader can put a bill on the floor. this is out of control. >> now, let me show you your union's advertising campaign against the filibuster. and let me just show you that first. then i want to ask a question. >> as climate change threatens the world we leave to our children and good u.s. jobs move overseas, time in the senate ticks by. it keeps ticking by with no results. because the system is broken. but we can fix it. and make the senate work for us again. >> people are stunned when they find out it was not majority vote. that one senator can just stop the process. is it your hope and the hope of cwa that when you do ads like this that the public will put pressure on their senators to reform this and just make it fai
fiscal cliff, deficit, every single issue. the president's bills never go on the floor of the senate. there are bills that mcconnell agrees to before they reach the floor. because otherwise they can't proceed. one of these reforms that senator merkley talked about is just no more motion to proceed. the majority leader can put a bill on the floor. this is out of control. >> now, let me show you your union's advertising campaign against the filibuster. and let me just show you that first....
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wilson finds zach miller in the back of the end zone, the seahawks cut the deficit to six points. seahawks still down by six with less than a minute to play on third and five, wilson avoids the sack, flips it out to marshon lynch who takes it down the sideline and gets the seahawks inside the 4 yard line. two plays later, lynch bulls his way in for the touchdown. he fumbled as he broke the plain, but the play was upheld on review. seahawks take the lead on the extra point. the falcons are on the verge of an epic collapse, but they get into field goal range with 13 seconds to play. matt ryan, with the 49-yarder to take the lead. and pete carroll had called a time out before the ball was kicked. another shot at it, this time he puts it through the uprights. last chance for the seahawks, wilson throws up the hail mary to the end zone, but julio jones, the star wide receiver comes down with the interception to end the game. falcons win in dramatic fashion, 30-28 to get to their first nfc championship game since 1999. after the game, quarterback matt ryan spoke about his winning first
wilson finds zach miller in the back of the end zone, the seahawks cut the deficit to six points. seahawks still down by six with less than a minute to play on third and five, wilson avoids the sack, flips it out to marshon lynch who takes it down the sideline and gets the seahawks inside the 4 yard line. two plays later, lynch bulls his way in for the touchdown. he fumbled as he broke the plain, but the play was upheld on review. seahawks take the lead on the extra point. the falcons are on...
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they created the structural deficit -- >> neil: wait a minute. we can go back in time and talk about 9/11 and a recession was taking hold. i don't want to go back in history. i want to ask thufinaly, would you agree that if we get a republican president and he or she is demanding the same prerogative you want to give this president right now, you, simon, would be on board and say go for it. >> i think we should eliminate the vote over the debt ceiling, both party, both presidents for all time -- >> neil: you would give a republican the same eye am going to save this tape. when it comes to that, i am going to have you back. >> hopefully, that won't be for a long time. >> neil: i thought you would say that, touche. >> okay. >> neil: from help out of d.c. to big doings in d.c., the city is getting readyr spiffy for a piece of history. the president's inauguration on monday. since january 20 falls on a sunday, the president will be privately sworn in that day. but the hoopla is all on monday, across the capitol. and we will be there again. probably n
they created the structural deficit -- >> neil: wait a minute. we can go back in time and talk about 9/11 and a recession was taking hold. i don't want to go back in history. i want to ask thufinaly, would you agree that if we get a republican president and he or she is demanding the same prerogative you want to give this president right now, you, simon, would be on board and say go for it. >> i think we should eliminate the vote over the debt ceiling, both party, both presidents...
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if they're so into cutting the deficit and they think spend issing the problem, show it off. let's see what you got. they don't want to do it. >> what i don't understand about this is why if you believe that ultimately they're going to have to cave, why don't we just let them cave? why do we need to create all of these other sort of -- as i said wack-a-do arrangements so this can happen? >> it's all leverage, right? if the sequester, that deal is not great for the republicans or that battle is not great for them because that disproportionately hurts republican industries, which is to say the defense industry, which is not to say that there aren't plenty of democrats whose bread is not being buttered by defense contractors, but if you look down at the breakdown of sequester cuts, defense gets hit with $55 billion in cuts, but they are much more severe, and as dave wood from the huffington post has said, it's like taking a meat clever to the defense industry. the nondefense cuts, 55 billion, same amount, but social security, retirement, veterans medicaid, snap, food stamps and
if they're so into cutting the deficit and they think spend issing the problem, show it off. let's see what you got. they don't want to do it. >> what i don't understand about this is why if you believe that ultimately they're going to have to cave, why don't we just let them cave? why do we need to create all of these other sort of -- as i said wack-a-do arrangements so this can happen? >> it's all leverage, right? if the sequester, that deal is not great for the republicans or...
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deficit would go up. i mean, we're talking about a very punishing thing that will affect american people who had nothing to do with what they're trying to object to or deal with. >> you oo >> you're absolutely right. congress spent that money. they spent it. whether they liked it or not, they were the ones who spent it. but it's more important than that. it's what you point out. the stakes here are really high for the republican party. far be it from you to advise the republican party. but if i did, i would say stay away from shutting the government down. stay away from letting the debt ceiling not be raised because those are things that the american people will hate. they'll hate us defaulting onli blame you for it. they'll hate us shutting the government down. if you want to make a stand, make it in the sequester. the sequester has a lot of things that are painful to the democrats and the president. that's the place to plak the stand. and, look, everyone agrees, every rational person agrees with michael
deficit would go up. i mean, we're talking about a very punishing thing that will affect american people who had nothing to do with what they're trying to object to or deal with. >> you oo >> you're absolutely right. congress spent that money. they spent it. whether they liked it or not, they were the ones who spent it. but it's more important than that. it's what you point out. the stakes here are really high for the republican party. far be it from you to advise the republican...
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>> let me just say that the president has already sign into law about $2.4 trillion worth of deficit reduction and three-quarters of that -- >> wars we stopped fighting, already factored in. >> a bunch of that is for spending cuts. not necessarily spending cults i really -- cuts i like but spending cuts nonetheless. >> you disagree with him when he says we don't have a spending problem? >> no. i think we do have certain things we can cut in spending, but in fact right now, i think the crisis we have right now is a jobs crisis. i think it's an income inequality crisis in our country. i think there's an investment crisis. we don't talk enough, neil, about the third leg of debt reduction, which is not only spending, not only raising revenue, but growth in the economy. and you know? this debt ceiling issue is just crazy. i stand -- >> was it crazy seven years ago when your democratic colleague voted against raising it? was it crazy then? >> well, except it wasn't real and this is real. the last final -- >> real is in the eye of the beholder. >> no, no. >> i guess it's -- >> it was more -
>> let me just say that the president has already sign into law about $2.4 trillion worth of deficit reduction and three-quarters of that -- >> wars we stopped fighting, already factored in. >> a bunch of that is for spending cuts. not necessarily spending cults i really -- cuts i like but spending cuts nonetheless. >> you disagree with him when he says we don't have a spending problem? >> no. i think we do have certain things we can cut in spending, but in fact...
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cutting the deficit. and oh, yeah, lowering unemployment. make no mistake about it. it's ambitious. but the president is entering his second term with a job approval among the highest since the early months of his presidency. his favorability rating has jumped nine point ins the last three months. at the very same time, the other side is fractured. destroying themselves. they're even threatening impeachment over the issue. we want all tools available to use including impeachment. >> could that build up to make a case for possible impeachment. >> all options should be on the table, undoubtly. >> and if that weren't enough, they're back. that's right, the birther brigade is stronger than ever. 64% of americans think president obama is hiding important information about his early life. 64%. no wonder the gop is going off the deep end. and no wonder the president is looking better than ever joining me now, jonathan kapart. thanks for coming on the show tonight. >> 64% is questioned about the president's early life. how do you explain that? well, look. 64% questioning the president's ear
cutting the deficit. and oh, yeah, lowering unemployment. make no mistake about it. it's ambitious. but the president is entering his second term with a job approval among the highest since the early months of his presidency. his favorability rating has jumped nine point ins the last three months. at the very same time, the other side is fractured. destroying themselves. they're even threatening impeachment over the issue. we want all tools available to use including impeachment. >> could...
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i think a lot of what they complain about with respect to us, for example, our large fiscal deficits, one example, i think it would be in our interest to deal with. similarly, a lot of what we complain about with respect to them, their export-driven strategy, the absence of domestic demand, it's critically important to have sustainable growth going forward to deal with that issue. so i think we have a common self interest in dealing with many of the issues that we complain to each other about. >> what should be the core elements of a u.s.-china relationship going forward? >> the core elements of a cooperative u.s.-chinese relationship is in many respects in the communique by presidents obama and jintao of china, itemizing and developing several ears to be koob rating because it sets a framework, a framework in which the word partnership is really given meaning and a framework for something unprecedented in the history of human affairs, namely, when two major powers arise, they almost never collide. for the first time in history, america and china have the opportunity to avoid that, to
i think a lot of what they complain about with respect to us, for example, our large fiscal deficits, one example, i think it would be in our interest to deal with. similarly, a lot of what we complain about with respect to them, their export-driven strategy, the absence of domestic demand, it's critically important to have sustainable growth going forward to deal with that issue. so i think we have a common self interest in dealing with many of the issues that we complain to each other about....
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bush was -- >> i thought their one idea, david, was cutting the deficit. >> that's -- they say that's the case, but it really is they want to just talk about spending cuts as if that is going to help the economy. and any mainstream economist now tells you that you may have to do that in some ways for long-term deficit implications but that's not good in the short run. even simpson/bowles say don't cut so fast. >> and just to be clear, it's not at all clear that they actually have coherent plans for anything they're suggesting. they have sort of hand waving spending cuts, entitlement reform without really writing down a specific path to get there. >> incredible. david corn and jared bernstein, gentlemen, thank you so much. stay with us. we'll be right back. what do we want to build next ? that's the question. every day. when you have the most advanced tools, you want to make something with them. something that helps. helps safeguard our shores. helps someone see through a wall of fire. helps those nowhere near the right doctor stand a chance. ... feeling in the extremities ? no. techno
bush was -- >> i thought their one idea, david, was cutting the deficit. >> that's -- they say that's the case, but it really is they want to just talk about spending cuts as if that is going to help the economy. and any mainstream economist now tells you that you may have to do that in some ways for long-term deficit implications but that's not good in the short run. even simpson/bowles say don't cut so fast. >> and just to be clear, it's not at all clear that they actually...
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president obama has racked up more spending, $1 trillion deficits. and it's time that he join us in this effort to get our fiscal house in order. what is a drag on the economy is the spending. that is what is hurting hard-working taxpayer right now. and so we need him to join us in this effort. >> at the end of the day, this is going to be a question about public opinion. what makes you think talking about not raising the debt ceiling or shutting down the government, what have you, is a winner in the court of public opinion? >> well, again, we don't want to shut down the government, but in the court of public opinion, people also know that the federal government and the out of control spending is unsustainable. and large majorities of the american people want us to cut spending, to start making the tough decisions, to balance our budgets, start living within our means. the american people, in their own families, they understand that you have to do that. you have to make the tough decisions. you have to get your budget, you've got to put it in order.
president obama has racked up more spending, $1 trillion deficits. and it's time that he join us in this effort to get our fiscal house in order. what is a drag on the economy is the spending. that is what is hurting hard-working taxpayer right now. and so we need him to join us in this effort. >> at the end of the day, this is going to be a question about public opinion. what makes you think talking about not raising the debt ceiling or shutting down the government, what have you, is a...
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if we want to have a conversation about how to redust our deficit let's have that. we've been having that nor the last two years. we just had an entire campaign about it. by the way the american people agreed with me that we should reduce our deficits in a balanced way that takes into account the need for us to grow this economy. martha: bob beckel is former democratic campaign manager and cohost of the five. mary katherine ham is editor at large and fox news contributor. why do you think it was so testy yesterday? >> obama's best form is not necessarily a press conference which is why he does than do many of them. i which he was testy for one real reason. the republicans trying to take the full faith and crucify the united states currency and putting it at fist being. i'd invoke the 14th amendment, we'd problem below know that if we spent more time with the republicans wasting time on the floor of the house. i thought he ought to raise it and to hell with congress. martha: we talked to stewart varney and kirsten said in that sound byte, this isn't about default, pe
if we want to have a conversation about how to redust our deficit let's have that. we've been having that nor the last two years. we just had an entire campaign about it. by the way the american people agreed with me that we should reduce our deficits in a balanced way that takes into account the need for us to grow this economy. martha: bob beckel is former democratic campaign manager and cohost of the five. mary katherine ham is editor at large and fox news contributor. why do you think it...
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that's the smallest monthly deficit in five years. some of that is artificial. people pulling transactions forward because they were afraid of higher tax rates in 2013. but for the first three months of 2013, we have a rapidly shrinking fiscal 2013, we have a rapidly shrinking deficit. so we are in a way chasing a vanishing problem. >> which is interesting, and that would allow for some things that are dirty and things that are not so dirty, would completely perhaps get rid of this problem after a while. do you think we're headed for a full stalemate? >> it's such a shame. i think david is right because we have low debt service right now. we're paying less interest on our debt than we had in the reagan and bush administrations before because interest rates are so low. >> but they're going to go up one day. >> but not for several years. i'll say it, we should be borrowing more at 30-year, 3% terms, so we can invest in the long-term growth of this economy. this is not the time for further austerity and cuts. if we were even to consider that right now, it would be
that's the smallest monthly deficit in five years. some of that is artificial. people pulling transactions forward because they were afraid of higher tax rates in 2013. but for the first three months of 2013, we have a rapidly shrinking fiscal 2013, we have a rapidly shrinking deficit. so we are in a way chasing a vanishing problem. >> which is interesting, and that would allow for some things that are dirty and things that are not so dirty, would completely perhaps get rid of this...
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. >> we have dialogue about the deficit and we have simpson bowles which everyone promptly ignored. it's kind of going back into the conversation now, but the question is, and i know you've written an op-ed, you know, what's reasonable? what is reasonable in terms of gun control when it comes to states that understand the gun culture and how deeply it is embedded in the culture of some of these states? >> well it's going to have to be a little bit from all of the above and that's why, you know, your show -- >> assault weapons ban. >> we've heard from the special interest groups, we're hearing from, you know, one end of the spectrum or that end of the spectrum, but in the end, our duly elected officials get together with an open mind and they then make decisions on behalf of the people they represent. that's where getting back to no labels is so important. you know, we've got the politics of right and left and center, but we've forgotten the most important part of all and that's the politics of problem solving. representing the people in all that we do. what we are doing today is not
. >> we have dialogue about the deficit and we have simpson bowles which everyone promptly ignored. it's kind of going back into the conversation now, but the question is, and i know you've written an op-ed, you know, what's reasonable? what is reasonable in terms of gun control when it comes to states that understand the gun culture and how deeply it is embedded in the culture of some of these states? >> well it's going to have to be a little bit from all of the above and that's...
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this was an open ended question at the top, economy in general at 21%, goes down to the federal budget deficit, dissatisfaction with government, unemployment, taxes, all the way at the bottom is gun. >> the web video which targets basically the president's children, who have secret service protection, as all children of presidents. over the line? >> based on this poll, he should have been apologizing for those children to breaking their piggy banks to pay for the national debt. that's what americans are concerned about. >> i'm asking you about the web video. >> because his children -- >> which children? >> children he had there on display, because his children, his own children, are well protected. joe biden opened up by saying that schools should be a sanctuary. well, he must have this confused, because the president's girls do go to a sanctuary, well-armed there, but most american kids are not protected at all. >> you don't think the president's children should be off limits? >> i think she should be protected and i think our children should be. i have seven school-aged children. i would hop
this was an open ended question at the top, economy in general at 21%, goes down to the federal budget deficit, dissatisfaction with government, unemployment, taxes, all the way at the bottom is gun. >> the web video which targets basically the president's children, who have secret service protection, as all children of presidents. over the line? >> based on this poll, he should have been apologizing for those children to breaking their piggy banks to pay for the national debt....
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deficit. the president of the united states -- it is laughable that he would talk about republicans not being responsible on debt issues. when this president has been in the white house sin january 20, 2009, and he's yet to do anything significant on social security or medicare. he cut medicare. so he can start a new entitlement program. that's -- not making medicare more sol vent. he doesn't done anything to curb the cost of medical expenses which he said he was going do. he did nothing. he struck back room deals with hospitals, with special interests, and now he's saying republicans are being reckless? no, no. at some point it becomes more reckless to continue raising the debt ceiling without having democrats come forward with a budget, by the president of the united states, coming forward with a plan to save medicare, medicaid, and social security. we had erskine bowles on. he was very clear. steve ratner agrees. zeke emanuel agrees. democrats, good democrats, agree. that medicare and medic
deficit. the president of the united states -- it is laughable that he would talk about republicans not being responsible on debt issues. when this president has been in the white house sin january 20, 2009, and he's yet to do anything significant on social security or medicare. he cut medicare. so he can start a new entitlement program. that's -- not making medicare more sol vent. he doesn't done anything to curb the cost of medical expenses which he said he was going do. he did nothing. he...
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we are having more deficit. again because the problem isn't about taxes. it's about spending. republicans have to have campaign communications, strategy, like chinese water torture. it has to be drip, drip, drip. the american people are not dumb. but they need to hear over and over what they already know deep in their hearts. their family can't spend itself rich and the government can't spend itself rich. >> shannon: we will see all of those things coming down the pike, how the public views it and how lawmakers will respond to the problem. always good to see you. happy new year. >> happy new year to you and your viewers. the debate is rapid fire as lawmakers weigh in on deadly weapons and our constitutional rights. >> the likelihood is that they are not going to be able to get a assault weapon ban. >> taking away the rights of law-abiding citizens will not stop a deranged individual or a criminal. >> someone can walk into a wal-mart, buy a shopping cart full of ammunition, walk out, pay, no questions asked. >> shannon: very different views on an issue taking center stage. the
we are having more deficit. again because the problem isn't about taxes. it's about spending. republicans have to have campaign communications, strategy, like chinese water torture. it has to be drip, drip, drip. the american people are not dumb. but they need to hear over and over what they already know deep in their hearts. their family can't spend itself rich and the government can't spend itself rich. >> shannon: we will see all of those things coming down the pike, how the public...
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i'll win votes from independent swing voters and then i win on the deficit. >> you can -- >> on cutting regulations. where it matters. >> you can still be a principled conservative. this is all music to my ears. joe i got to take a break. stay with me. we'll have you back. i want to talk some about fiscal policies and what republicans should or should not do about that crisis. meanwhile we'll talk about it now. a group of leading conservatives joined forces on debt spending today. they penned an op-ed on why the threat of a default ought to be used to force a balanced budget a threat of a debt default. i believe this is completely dead wrong. i think it will lower our credit rating, damage our economy. by the way it's totally unworkable. but we got to talk. joining me now is the co-author of that op-ed. we bring back our friend, cnbc contributor a former bush white house deputy press secretary. let me begin with you mr. nino. i want to cut spending like nobody's business. you mess around with the debt ceiling i'm going tell you, buddy, the whole world, fiscally, economically and politic
i'll win votes from independent swing voters and then i win on the deficit. >> you can -- >> on cutting regulations. where it matters. >> you can still be a principled conservative. this is all music to my ears. joe i got to take a break. stay with me. we'll have you back. i want to talk some about fiscal policies and what republicans should or should not do about that crisis. meanwhile we'll talk about it now. a group of leading conservatives joined forces on debt spending...
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that's the point of that study and, of course, paul krugman reiterated that deficits are actually not bad, especially when you're in a recessionary environment and that we've actually cut a lot out of the spending. but my concern in all this, while $2.4 trillion is a lot of money to cut over ten years, i'm still concerned about the absolute amount of the debt outstanding which is $16.4 trillion because we've been getting a big break in recent years because the fed has kept interest rates so low. when those interest rates start ticking up, as they would when they end their quaun at this taf easing program and as they would if we don't get the debt ceiling raised, then that cost of interest expense is going to go through the roof. we could be spending as much as $500 billion a year on interest expense alone and that is not a good thing. >> all right. nbc's luke russert and bill cohen -- william cohen, sorry. thank you so much for joining me. >>> next, we'll go to the bous for all of the last-minute detai details. for you... ♪white house for all of the last-minute details. inging the h
that's the point of that study and, of course, paul krugman reiterated that deficits are actually not bad, especially when you're in a recessionary environment and that we've actually cut a lot out of the spending. but my concern in all this, while $2.4 trillion is a lot of money to cut over ten years, i'm still concerned about the absolute amount of the debt outstanding which is $16.4 trillion because we've been getting a big break in recent years because the fed has kept interest rates so...
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the fact is though we can't finish the job of deficit reduction through spending cuts alone. the cuts we've already made to priorities other than medicare medicaid, social security and defense, mean that we spend on everything from education to public safety less as a share of our economy than has been true for a generation, and that's not a recipe for growth. so, we've got to do more both to stabilize our finances over the medium and long term but also spur more growth in the short term. now, i've said i'm open to making modest adjustments to programs like medicare to protect them for future generations, and i've also said that we need more revenue through tax reform by closing loopholes in our tax code for the wealthiest americans. if we combine a balanced package of savings from spending on health care and revenues from closing loopholes, we can solve the deficit issue without sacrificing our investments in things like education that are going to help us grow. turns out, the american people agree with me. they listened to an entire year's debate over this issue and they ma
the fact is though we can't finish the job of deficit reduction through spending cuts alone. the cuts we've already made to priorities other than medicare medicaid, social security and defense, mean that we spend on everything from education to public safety less as a share of our economy than has been true for a generation, and that's not a recipe for growth. so, we've got to do more both to stabilize our finances over the medium and long term but also spur more growth in the short term. now,...
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there's actually been several rounds of deficit reduction worth reviewing. back in 2010 and '11, they put a bunch of continuing resolutions or kind of spending caps onto mostly discretionary programs. in 2011 when we had the debt ceiling debacle, they agreed to the budget control act which was another billion dollars, roughly, of cuts. again, mostly from if not entirely from discretionary programs. and then, of course, we had the fiscal cliff which was $650 billion of revenue increases. so so far, we've actually had $2.4 trillion over a ten-year period of deficit reduction. but about 30% of it has come from rev lienue increases and at the other 70% from come from spending cuts. entirely from discretionary programs. >> what's the budget control act? >> it's what came out of the last debt ceiling debacle when the republicans and the democrats agreed on this trillion dollars of roughly discretionary -- all discretionary spending reductions. but the point is, none of this really touches entitlements. none of it touches the mandatory. and its $2.4 trillion. >> wh
there's actually been several rounds of deficit reduction worth reviewing. back in 2010 and '11, they put a bunch of continuing resolutions or kind of spending caps onto mostly discretionary programs. in 2011 when we had the debt ceiling debacle, they agreed to the budget control act which was another billion dollars, roughly, of cuts. again, mostly from if not entirely from discretionary programs. and then, of course, we had the fiscal cliff which was $650 billion of revenue increases. so so...
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lowered the deficit to 1.4% of gdp in 2022, stabilize the debt by 2015. it even further reduced discretionary spending. it builds on health reform savings and called for social security reform, and provided specific things to do to get social security solvent for the next 75 years here and also include fundamental tax reform that raise revenue. and raised quite a bit of revenue, 2.4 trillion of that 5.4 trillion would have been revenue, but revenue not required raising rates, but revenue that would come through reforming the tax code, reducing preferences, exclusions that are shot through the tax code, to actually be able to reduce rates and raise additional revenue. for anybody that wanted can you really do that, remember tax expenditures are running $1.2 trillion a year. we are spending more for the tax code than we are through all of the appropriate accounts of the federal government. this is what happens to the deficit in the share of gdp under the fiscal commission plan. you can see a dramatic improvement. the fiscal cliff plan, and what was just ado
lowered the deficit to 1.4% of gdp in 2022, stabilize the debt by 2015. it even further reduced discretionary spending. it builds on health reform savings and called for social security reform, and provided specific things to do to get social security solvent for the next 75 years here and also include fundamental tax reform that raise revenue. and raised quite a bit of revenue, 2.4 trillion of that 5.4 trillion would have been revenue, but revenue not required raising rates, but revenue that...
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. >> reporter: president obama stating very clearly today that he will not negotiate deficit reduction, tax increases and spending cuts attached to the debt ceiling. this of course does follow that bruising battle the year before last, where he did negotiate on the issue, and the u.s. nearly went to the brink of default. he said that congress has to pay the bills that it's already racked up. >> you don't go out to dinner and then, you know, eat all you want and then leave without paying the check. and if you do, you're breaking the law. and congress should think about it the same way that the american people do. you don't -- now, if congress want, to have a debate about maybe we shouldn't go out to dinner next time, maybe we should go to a more modest restaurant, that's fine. that's the debate that we should have. >> reporter: in this press conference that was called last minute in the east room, president obama said he will negotiate a deal on deficit reduction but not, as he put it, quote, with a gun to the head of the american people. as you know, joe, republicans are saying they're
. >> reporter: president obama stating very clearly today that he will not negotiate deficit reduction, tax increases and spending cuts attached to the debt ceiling. this of course does follow that bruising battle the year before last, where he did negotiate on the issue, and the u.s. nearly went to the brink of default. he said that congress has to pay the bills that it's already racked up. >> you don't go out to dinner and then, you know, eat all you want and then leave without...
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we have a training deficit in this country. we need to combine training programs and do a better job. are we going to hurt that effort? that's what's at stake here when the republicans say, just cut regardless. they had no reason to remember yesterday to cut all discretionary notary public defense discretionary programs, and i think sadly a hundred and some republicans, i think, 50 voted for willie-nilly across the board. doesn't matter what it is. that's not the way we proceed. >> host: was this the amendment to the sandy relief bill? >> guest: it was. >> host: and it failed, 70 republicans joined about 188 democrats to beat back that amendment put forth. on the tax side of the ledger, deductions and loopholes is what folks are talking about. when you say "balanced approach qtle, spending cuts, and deductions and loopholes and things like that. what are the big ones that would bring in the most revenue? >> guest: well, we've talked about the itemized deductions and they include mortgage interests, charitable contributions, ect
we have a training deficit in this country. we need to combine training programs and do a better job. are we going to hurt that effort? that's what's at stake here when the republicans say, just cut regardless. they had no reason to remember yesterday to cut all discretionary notary public defense discretionary programs, and i think sadly a hundred and some republicans, i think, 50 voted for willie-nilly across the board. doesn't matter what it is. that's not the way we proceed. >> host:...
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don't worry about it, it will work itself down the line and don't worry about the mounting debt and deficit. >> that's then and this is now. a debt as you pointed out 16.4 trillion dollars and rising constantly. we need a restraint on that debt. we cannot let it run away constantly. the and the debt ceiling is a restraint. what the democrats want is a blank check. i'm not sure it's constitutional because congress rules on the issue of money, not the executive branch. so, i'm not sure the constitutionality of it. if you did abolish this debt ceiling, you would pretty soon get yourself a downgrade. these rating agencies would say, your debt is just running away. you're not credit worthy. >> megyn: the debt ceiling is in place, it doesn't seem they trust our lawmakers to live within their moneys and with the money. when you look at 16.4 trillion, they're right, we're not living in our means. and there's a question, stu, you see that number, i think of my kids and think of my children. who is going to pay that number? it's probably not going to be me. >> right. >> megyn: it's probably going to
don't worry about it, it will work itself down the line and don't worry about the mounting debt and deficit. >> that's then and this is now. a debt as you pointed out 16.4 trillion dollars and rising constantly. we need a restraint on that debt. we cannot let it run away constantly. the and the debt ceiling is a restraint. what the democrats want is a blank check. i'm not sure it's constitutional because congress rules on the issue of money, not the executive branch. so, i'm not sure the...
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things that's changed over the past seven years or so is that we're in a much different position from a deficit and debt point of view. so there's much more resistance on the republican side than there used to be. to all of the little riders and pieces of pork that are loaded into these disaster relief bills. and that's some of the changes we've seen in terms of these things being held up. an easy way to do this, and it's hard to get an agreement on this in the senate-s just to pass a clean disaster relief bill with nobody else's projects in there. having said that, republicans need to be careful. there are a number of republican house seats in new jersey and new york that could be threatened if republicans are perceived as holding up aid to sandy. and it's just not anywhere they really want to be when they're trying to focus on a debt ceiling fight or at least they should be. and i think from a political point of view and even substantively they have much bigger -- they have much bigger things to go after and try and accomplish than being perceived as callous when you have so many people in th
things that's changed over the past seven years or so is that we're in a much different position from a deficit and debt point of view. so there's much more resistance on the republican side than there used to be. to all of the little riders and pieces of pork that are loaded into these disaster relief bills. and that's some of the changes we've seen in terms of these things being held up. an easy way to do this, and it's hard to get an agreement on this in the senate-s just to pass a clean...
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we have clear issues, as pat was alluding to, with the debt and the deficit. they're not solved and the debt ceiling, while it's an important hurdle and i don't want to default and i think the president is substantively is right, we can't be a totally polarized nation and nor can we pit one against the other and is sub zero see site. president clinton got a deal with newt gingrich, a different philosophy, he reached out across the aisle. we have to deal with entitlements, it's not a question of not wanting to take care of old people or poor people or feeding poor children, i think everybody believes we should. it's how and what extent and in what way can we afford it. bottom line, i thought the president's tone was unfortunate. he did it in the press conference right after the election, and i think that ultimately, it does the american people a disservice. >> kirsten, you read some the left wing pundits and they've had it with president obama in their view bending in these discussions with the left. they think, you know, he extended the bush tax cuts a couple
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the problem is he is fronting for policies that are not dealing with the debt or the deficit. >> another gold man sacks guy who made a lot of money while the company was being raped. the real problem with lew, he represents the president's worst instincts, he scuttled the deal in 2011 by the introduction of more taxes and he says no, and this is obama on steroids to the left. he is pushing the country in a place that he doesn't have a mandate for but high has no opposition to stop. >> let me say one thing, the shame of these picks is they small. they are inside the beltway, they are small, they are political hacks, where the president wanted to be a transformational president. he has been re-elected. not many presidents in history are two term presidents and he can be a successful president if he does something great. the great thing he could do for a liberal democrat, is save the social safety net from financial collapse. he had the chance to do it and he still has a chance. >> others would have brought some imagination. the opposite of reagan. >> gentleman, hang in here we will come ba
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>> and fitch has specifically said it's because they want a credible, credible deficit reduction plan, a solution, a long-term solution. bill: which they said last year too. martha: when you take a look at the twin title waves coming at us with medicare and with social security, until you deal with those and reform those programs and strengthen them for future generations we are not going to solve the problem. bill: senator, thank you for your time and being patient. john barrasso on the hill, republican from wyoming. >> thank you, bill. martha: let's go back to the scene where they are working to extricate this woman. that's a look at her hand. they are trying to get her out of there as carefully as they possibly can. they have no idea whether she was broken bones or in terrible damage. at this point they say she is conscious and speaking with them. they are working very hard to get her out. boy will she have a story to tell when they do. we'll be right back here with breaking news from "america's newsroom" from portland this morning. hi. i'm henry winkler. and i'm here to tell homeo
>> and fitch has specifically said it's because they want a credible, credible deficit reduction plan, a solution, a long-term solution. bill: which they said last year too. martha: when you take a look at the twin title waves coming at us with medicare and with social security, until you deal with those and reform those programs and strengthen them for future generations we are not going to solve the problem. bill: senator, thank you for your time and being patient. john barrasso on the...
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he said yesterday we have not connected the debt limit with deficit reduction. nothing could be further from the truth. in the past three decades the only thing that has worked in washington to get the spending under control is to tie debt spending to a limit. gramm-rudman. it is a tool that can and should be used. >>gretchen: he seems to think it has nothing to do with spending. what would be your counter to that? >> it has everything to do with spending. again, it's been the most effective tool to be used to try to get washington to finally begin to tighten its belt and do the right thing. if we don't, the country does become bankrupt. some would grew it already -- some would argue it already is, as we saw in that hbo -- hank paulson looked good. >>gretchen: he wasn't playing himself. unfortunately we're out of time, but this discussion could go on and on. >> the american people want us to deal with this issue, and this has been the time and place to do it. we ought to do it in the next few weeks. >>gretchen: senator, great to see you. more "fox & friends" mor
he said yesterday we have not connected the debt limit with deficit reduction. nothing could be further from the truth. in the past three decades the only thing that has worked in washington to get the spending under control is to tie debt spending to a limit. gramm-rudman. it is a tool that can and should be used. >>gretchen: he seems to think it has nothing to do with spending. what would be your counter to that? >> it has everything to do with spending. again, it's been the most...